If we look back history is just an unending series of atrocities. Prof Olusoga says statues, such as those of slave traders . Everyone was. Grew up in Quedlinburg. Olusoga is making an appeal to white guilt. It is a form of self-loathing. Ironically, one of the sources we can turn to in order to learn more is his own accounts of late 17th-century Jamaica. Nor do I think that sugar is worse than cotton. Hey, we do not even have to go that far. Blacks like Mr Olusoga despite endlessly banging on about it seem to overlook the fact that they are in a minority. I imagine few do. And even if you personally disagree with it, what would be the strongest argument for some form of legal settlement? Its a shame The historian tells Michael Segalov about getting up early, reading George Orwell, taking his dog George for a walk, playing his guitar My argument is that Africans were probably happily killing each other for women before the West turned up. 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Now Im trying to imagine just what the strongest case for reparations might be, but even in this thought experiment its hard to see what the eligibility criteria for receiving payment should be, what sum should be due, how much proof is required of eligibility not everyone will have a good set of family records etc. But it is also likely that disease played a role. Viking Dublin was a major slave-trading centre (English, Irish, Scots, anyone else they could get their hands on). For some peculiar reason possibly because theres a section of Western society has become very insecure about its own position its being some credence. Like I said, as a mental exercise, if I do my best good faith effort to imagine an argument for reparations, I reckon it would concern harms committed by the state (which unlike the slave traders and owners, is still about today) and an argument that it breached some alleged fundamental/universal doctrine of law so that even the states efforts to put the slave industry on a legal footing were null and void. "This generation has the greatest knowledge-giving tool ever created and they have access to knowledge that I just did not have when I was younger. If you had spare cash or could borrow, investment in slavery was a sure winner, never mind slave rebellions or hurricanes that destroyed cane fields. The masses who once supported black freedom now campaigned for the Deep South. There is no reason to single White people out for unique levels of criticism. Needless to say, the national mood changed. Why are these characterizations needed? Get back to me in seven years, when youre ready to order. The arguments do you want to get shaken down for several trillion? She had no interest in esoteric discussions of the war. Less flippantly, Western countries are not of one mind when it comes to the age of consent sex with a 14 year-old is legal in some countries, criminal in others (yes yes, paedophilia versus ephebophilia etc, you got me).. The stars are out as Dr Pete Olusoga explores the psychology of stage and screen with the wonderful British actor (and Coronation Street veteran), Shobna Gulati. Rapidly promoted to sergeant, then second lieutenant, he led white British troops into action and died in 1918, having been mentioned in despatches and recommended for the Military Cross. Hundreds of White women raped every day. The world has seen more slavery since its abolition than before. "He was the voice of somebody who wasn't speaking about the past as a historian, but was living it. All in all your typical West African is far more likely to have ancestral connections to the slave trade than your typical Brit. Pope Nicholas V gave his blessing, so long as the Vatican benefited. Olusoga brilliantly reveals such contradictions in British society. "They do not want British history to be a catalogue of heroes and victories and glorious chapters," he says. Read about our approach to external linking. The Barbados slave code of 1661 stripped Africans of all human rights, and set out ways in which they were to be punished, to exert control over their labour (mutilation of the face, slitting of nostrils, castration, execution). You may concede a point here, a point there. It could not have happened at all unless African traders and kings had offered slaves to the Europeans. Should almost go without saying except of course that it doesnt, since clearly not every culture has the same moral gut reaction to it that I do. Certainly they killed them casually often for religious reasons. . 5 quotes from David Olusoga: 'On a peninsula protruding into one of the great highways of the Atlantic slave trade, a few hundred refugees from British slavery in North America were attempting to recreate the social structures of Northern Europe in the Middle Ages.', 'Time and again events and phenomena that we think we know and understand contain within them lost or camouflaged connections to . The arguments do you want to get shaken down for several trillion?. A fifty quid note in the hand of the first black bloke you encounter. Because it isnt about who you are, its about who your ancestors were. Well one economist has worked out the amount to be paid (although not on a damages basis, when one imagines blacks might end up paying whites, but on a close the wealth gap basis): A renowned economist has said that $12 trillion should be afforded to black Americans in reparation for slavery to help the close wealth gap. Young people - such as Lavinya Stennett who founded the Black Curriculum campaign group - have been calling for change. Had a vault for the more inflammatory pieces. You know, entirely ignoring lifetime effects? But Muslims were enslaving white Europeans into Africa long before the Atlantic route, usually castrating the males. The reason why Equiano is not a national name is because slavery is not a part of the history that we teach when it should be because I don't think you can understand the 18th century in particular but also the 19th century without reference to slavery.". If one disproves his assertions would slavery then be okay? Such sources give his writing freshness, originality and compassion. BurningEars August 30, 2020 at 3:07 pm Theres a flaw in arguments of the form frankly you should be glad I murdered your sister. Thats why we get it. No doubt life expectancy of a slave was shorter than that for a free man. TV presenter David Olusoga has told the Edinburgh TV Festival his career had sometimes left him feeling "crushed, isolated," and "disempowered". The agreement is being touted as a . My great, great, grandfather was one. No member of my family ever owned slaves. Would probably have taken your suggestion as a challenge. He presents a one sided and biased picture of slavery which takes no account of the African participation in it. . (As the first person to mention the Sokoto Caliphate ahh, forget it.). Both of these need proof. In the 15th and 16th centuries, thousands of pounds of gold were shipped to Europe. Like I need to hand my cash to the next lass of Rus descent I see, lest she remind me of some unlucky slave-girl that may or may not have perished at the hands of my maybe-ancestors? BZZZTT!! As Black British History Month draws to a close, TV historian Prof David Olusoga looks at the impact it's had - and how young people are taking it on. At the moment it seems to regarded as a good thing. That was when the Democrats were still Americans. Those aged 11-14 have to be taught about the British Empire between 1745-1901, however the slave trade is one of nine examples given by the Department of Education on what can be taught. Whether they are too stupid to think of that remains to be seen. When the American Civil War interrupted the supply of cotton, hundreds of thousands of British workers were made destitute, dependent on soup kitchens, and the British economy was dealt a thunderous blow, all because an ocean away the forced labour of four million enslaved black Americans had been disrupted. I know. Theres an argument about judging people by the standard of their times, though even in the 1500s moral and religious objections to the slave trade had been made and the rationale of crimes against humanity is that some things are so abhorrent they could never truly be legal no matter what moral code the perpetrators justified themselves with. Make sure it doesnt happen in the least costly way. . But it is Olusoga who keeps insisting that its the Brits who are uniquely responsible.. Olusoga was born in Lagos to a White mother and a Nigerian father who, I hate to say nautrally, did a runner. He saw how enslaved people who had risen up were burnt to death, castrated or mutilated, punishments he regarded as merited. 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Wider imperialism reparations that include South Asia, China for the Opium Wars and so on, surely even more prohibitively costly, regardless of how effective the education system gets at making young Brits feel a vague sense of guilt about it all. P rofessor David Olusoga is reviewing a disorientating year from a familiar place: his white-painted study, the one with the guitars hanging from its walls. Sooner or later, we whites are going to have to take a stand, and say we aint taking this any more. That hes able to write this article is because hes living in what is, by historical standards, a remarkably tolerant society. Forbes magazine's extraordinarily arrogant contributor Tim Worstall Jeremy Corbyn. Full text must be online somewhere but theres an extract at https://www.history.co.uk/shows/the-real-vikings/articles/eyewitness-to-the-vikings. Support 100 years of independent journalism. It isnt going to happen anyway. "Incorporating the stories of people like Equiano is merely part of a process of looking at all of British history; not just being selective, not only going to the chapters that make us feel good about ourselves or proud.". Roman writers such as Pliny who chronicled or rather fabricated African life shaped perceptions of a continent populated by anthropophagi and other fantastic creatures, half-human, half-animal. We could just cut to the chase, and impose a reparations tax on anyone who is descended from from anyone who did something, er, wrong. I have a peeve about the BBC genealogical show Who do you think you are? which I dont know whether has been inflected upon the Left Pond. Slavery within West African societies being different again I dont think the places with very high rates of local slavery were anything like the sugar plantations. Olusoga poses as an objective historian and says he is not there to bring comfort to people. His choice of subject and his choice of material make that very clear. They organised a boycott of sugar, produced more petitions and hosted meetings. Just means they werent alone in being in the wrong. Whoever has the upper-hand in power political, cultural, economic, military or whatever other form is decisive at that moment. Separated from home and family and landed in the West Indies (countless numbers dying of suffocation during the journey, given that the people traffickers were packing the holds to maximise profits), the Africans had no recourse to the law, much less the conscience of their captors. Then dont discuss it. Slaves were crowded in a new environment with new diseases. Fought to STOP southern independence. In America few were castrated, which is why there are now >40 million descendants there. "This is a richer history as well as a necessary history; this is a more vivid history as well as a history that tells the back stories of more people in this country than the traditional narratives we've had.". But oddly enough, people like Olusoga havent given me the cash yet. Olusoga patterns his narrative after Fryers, starting with the North African presence in Roman Britain. I could just as well feel something else entirely, and Im sceptical of all approaches to impose a supposedly universal, timeless or even just coherent, thats a challenge in itself ethical system. One of the reasons why the American and Caribbean experiences were very different. One sporting event that has captured your imagination I was fortunate enough to get tickets to see some of the basketball at the London 2012 Olympics, so my brother and I went to watch the GB vs. Spain game. One in which enslaved people suffered and even died from malnutrition, as the economics of the slave trade meant that it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them than it was to provide them with food. There is the Push argument and the Pull argument. It happened. Olusoga has written stand-alone history books as well as those accompanying his television series. Theres a flaw in arguments of the form frankly you should be glad I murdered your sister, since had I not done so, its quite possible though we cannot be sure that someone else would have tortured her then murdered her, which is even worse, so whos the real criminal? Which is that I still murdered your sister. Oh man. Latin America for instance. Then, in October, came a breakthrough. It was the first of the slave narratives that I'd ever read and I found it astonishing.". Hes insisting that a household headed by a 21 year old black should have the average wealth of all white households. Both groups today, especially the former, could reasonably claim historic persecution has reduced their present income and wealth. It's against this backdrop that Black British History Month was created. We do not know enough to be sure. And tolerance is not a given. By a Senegalese author: The veiled genocide = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxc5ENT8ajg, MyBurningEars August 30, 2020 at 11:52 am Slavery within West African societies being different again I dont think the places with very high rates of local slavery were anything like the sugar plantations. Reckon they found commenters guessing which parts of a hypothetical argument were meant all part of the fun, In many respects youre one of the posters here whose views on morality Im closest to our personal moralities probably being quite far apart, but I recognise mine as very much the product of my upbringing and surrounding society and know enough about other places and times to realise just how contingent that makes them. The problem with slavery is that it left us with their descendents and weak minded White populations. Sugar was king: originally a luxury, it became one of the main sources of calories for the British poor. So how much have considered paedophilia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr_Gide, Less flippantly, Western countries are not of one mind when it comes to the age of consent sex with a 14 year-old is legal in some countries, criminal in others (yes yes, paedophilia versus ephebophilia etc, you got me). They also ran a slave trade to the Ottoman empire and white slavery in the north without any help from Europeans. So wherever the wealth came from, it wasnt just slavery (or even mainly), Olusogas an alright presenter but a class A race hustler, Edward Lud August 30, 2020 at 9:12 am We could just cut to the chase, and impose a reparations tax on anyone who is descended from from anyone who did something, er, wrong.. Its been banned for two centuries in Britain. Black and British: A Forgotten History He updates Fryer, citing radioisotope analysis of skeletons and craniometrics, which support written documentation of Aurelian Moors guarding Hadrians Wall and settling in places such as Yorkshire. Dont know if I would rule it out entirely because the demographics are different but it might need a change in the voting dynamics. And the transatlantic slave trade? It's possibly a deeper change than some people realise because I don't think what we're living through is a series of political events; I think we're living through a generational shift," he says. A weekly newsletter helping you fit together the pieces of the global economic slowdown. Rather the constitution banned the slave trade and so it become economically worth it to make sure slaves lived longer. if he wants to be an historian he should present a fair and realistic picture of what happened, Your email address will not be published. Fuck right off As a winning debating strategy. I can then give him the details of other descendants, he can apologise to and compensate. Oblong, Its an interesting exercise to consider, given we live within such a system, how or whether that contradiction can be settled. What is their strongest argument? Within the EU the two most common ages of consent are 14 and 15 (if Ive done my counting correctly), though in some but not all cases thats with additional restrictions on permissible age gaps. There is plenty of slavery about we just do not call it that. There is no reason to think one system was more or less brutal than the other. Maybe heard of Saint Balthild, seventh-century English lass sold into slavery, exported to the Continent, served in a palace and ended up marrying the Frankish King?). Do I feel like I had anything to do it? Ive always agreed that the Africans should pay reparations to the rest of us for dumping all those people they wanted to get rid of on us. That is not true. I have done nothing. See, five years ago I wouldnt have written a crass comment like that, but hey, times achanging and as financially independent with some FU-money, I dont have to worry about cancellation culture, LOL. But its still awful, even on a historical scale.. One person who had a huge impact on Britain was Olaudah Equiano, an enslaved man who bought his freedom and wrote compellingly about his experiences. Welsh slave-raids into England continued until early Norman times. . Between that night at the opera and 1807, nearly 800,000 Africans were enslaved. Theres probably more mileage in my country, or at least its historical incarnation, fought against it because unlike the actual people involved, the state is still around. Dr Peter Olusoga is a senior psychology lecturer at Sheffield Hallam university. That star stuff wont last. "Equiano is the most important voice that we have from the British experience of slavery and the slave trade," he said. But that ignores how the demand of outsiders led inevitably to far more supply being provided. I suspect that whether records could prove it or not, its overwhelmingly likely to be true, especially since high-status individuals tend to make a bigger contribution to the gene pool. As he states, The oral history of 20th-century racial violence has never been collected or collated, but it is thereand it is shocking.. And yet Africans and West Indians were banned from the victory parade in 1919. Then a young teenager, he was driven out of his council home, together with his grandmother, mother, two sisters and younger brother, by a sustained campaign of nightly stoning of their windows. But that ignores how the demand of outsiders led inevitably to far more supply being provided, so I dont think the traders can be given a pass on this front either. Or anything to do with slavery. Its very noticable how nobodys mentioning that the Spanish Empire were doing this for several centuries before the British got involved. Would the good professor really be so different if genealogical records could prove he had African ancestors who owned African slaves? Supported by African authors of slave narratives such as Olaudah Equiano and Ottabah Cugoano, they held meetings all over the country, attracting huge crowds. Slavery didnt last much longer for various reasons, fizzled out in a century or so, but we have the records to show it was still part of the system after twenty years of Norman rule: https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/domesday/world-of-domesday/order.htm. And they will go looking for parts of the past that aren't on the curriculum, and they evidently do. I doubt that they are now firmly united in a common cause. The evidence of this is that seasoned slaves, those exposed to the environment, sold for up to 50% more than new ones. Id say the same to the Black Lives Matter people. Whitey bad, give me cash? Quite possibly slave-raiding Gaels before that. Those who grew rich on slavery and the slave trade were not neutral and no achievement or act of philanthropy justifies airbrushing their involvement from history.. It began to alter (slightly) the history curriculum at university level: the first undergraduate one-year course on black British history and culture was taught at the University of Warwick in 1984. They are stupid false for America. In the end, wholl be proven right about the matter practically, in terms of what the outcome is and what the first drafts of history say? He also studied at the University of Liverpool and so benefits from slavery as much as anyone else. It is a good deed that must not go unpunished. But a group of 12 disciples of Christ set out to change things. I cant see the point of denying it was all pretty awful. 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